Comparison between three groups

Hello,

I'm hoping to make a comparison between three sample groups, let's call them A, B and C. I want to know whether (A is more similar to C) or (B is more similar to C). I think can get a sense of that by doing PCoA. For example, in the PCoA emperor plot below, I can see that the orange group is generally closer to blue group and the red group is generally farther from the blue group, which suggests the composition of the orange group is more similar to the blue group (right?). What I'm wondering is if there is a more quantitative way of assessing this.

Similarly, I can tell from a permanova (attached) that the both the "sorted native rRNA" group and "barcoded rRNA" group are significantly different from the "unsorted native rRNA" group. But I can't tell if "sorted native rRNA" or "barcoded rRNA" is significantly larger/smaller.

Apologies if this isn't clear. Thank you so much for any help
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Hello August,

Would you be willing to upload the full .qzv file? The stats test for comparing means should be inside!

unweighted-unifrac-method-significance.qzv (429.9 KB)

Hi Colin,

Here's the full .qzv file. Thanks for your quick response!

The very bottom of that page includes the pairwise post-hoc test:

Your diagram is a little confusing to me.
If you are trying to compare 'Barcoded' to 'Sorted Native', why involve 'Unsorted' at all?

This may be a good time to bring this to a statistician or an advisor to help focus the question you are asking.

Another way to put it is, per the diagram below, I'm trying to tell if distance A is significantly different from distance B

As best as I understand, the post-hoc test is telling me that barcoded is all the groups are statistically distinct from each other, and are forming distinct clusters, more-or-less. What I want to know is, is the Barcoded group more similar (i.e. closer in PCoA space) to the Unsorted Native group, or is the Sorted Native group more similar to the Unsorted Native group. Or are they both equally different from the Unsorted Native group

If this information is available from the permanova test, and I'm just misinterpreting it, that would be fantastic news, and I would love to hear it.

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I understand!

I see you are really trying to compare those two groups using unsorted as a baseline.

It's not, but there may be a way to do this within Qiime2!
Let's see what the devs recommend!

I would do this in R , though that's a whole thing if you have not used it before...