Hi,
I have a question on ordination methods. Which is the preferred method for microbial 16s data? is it PCA or PCoA? What is the advantage of one over other. Any help in this regard is greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Reeba
Hi,
I have a question on ordination methods. Which is the preferred method for microbial 16s data? is it PCA or PCoA? What is the advantage of one over other. Any help in this regard is greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Reeba
Hello Reeba,
Great question! I know one of the statisticians who work on QIIME 2 could give a very detailed answer, but I want to provide a simple answer to get you started:
I recommend a PCoA ordination of Weighted UniFrac distances between samples.
This tutorial shows you how to make one, and you can view a demo of this ordination here.
PCA and PCoA are really similar. In fact, PCA is just a type of PCoA that uses euclidean distances! So we could say:
Type of Ordination:
- MDS
- CCA
- PCoA
- PCoA of Jaccard distances
- PCoA of Bray-Curtis dissimilarities
- PCoA of Euclidian distances (this is also called PCA)
- PCoA of UniFrac distances
Let me know if that helps!
Colin
P.S. If you want to learn more about ordinations, this page had lots of information!
@mortonjt also just added aitchison
distance in this last (2018.8) release! It's a Euclidian distance, but inside of a centered-log-ratio transformation which is able to handle compositionality (this is one of the reasons PCA isn't terribly common in microbiome analysis).
Thanks for the reply. I came across articles saying Euclidian distance is not good for microbial community data, but didn't get any answer on why it it not good. Also since PCA is PCoA of euclidian distance, is there any condition where it it appropriate to use?
Good question.
I want to take a moment to differentiate the ordination method vs the distance metric.
ordination methods
- PCoA
- NMDS
- CCA
distance metrics
- unifrac
- jaccard
- euclidian
I think you probably know that already, but I just wanted to post that for future users to see.
I'm not sure if euclidian is bad, but other methods are arguably more clear or more biologically relevant. Let's take Jaccard and UniFrac as examples.
Jaccard distances are simple:
percentage of taxa not found in both samples
So if 30% of taxa are in both samples, this means 70% are only found in one sample, and the Jaccard distance is 0.7. Very easy!
UniFrac distances are equally easy, and add phylogenetic information:
percentage of phylogenetic branch length not found in both samples
This makes UniFrac a tremendously powerful method for measuring the difference between samples because it incorporates the underlying phylogenetic tree of the taxa.
Now let's look at Euclidian distance
the square root of
the sum of
the squares of
the percentage of unique taxa in each sample
How could that possibly be useful!?!
Who was crazy enough to invent the Euclidean distance?
Colin
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