# Poor taxonomy classification on species level **URL:** https://forum.qiime2.org/t/poor-taxonomy-classification-on-species-level/23061 **Category:** User Support **Tags:** taxonomy, feature-classifier, dada2 **Created:** [May 13, 2022, 6:31am UTC](https://forum.qiime2.org/t/poor-taxonomy-classification-on-species-level/23061 "2022-05-13T06:31:24Z") **Posts on this page:** 1 **Showing post:** 2
### Author: ![Nicholas\_Bokulich](https://forum.qiime2.org/user_avatar/forum.qiime2.org/nicholas_bokulich/32/19937_2.png) [@Nicholas\_Bokulich](https://forum.qiime2.org/u/Nicholas_Bokulich) #### Post date: [May 13, 2022, 6:59am UTC](https://forum.qiime2.org/t/poor-taxonomy-classification-on-species-level/23061/2 "2022-05-13T06:59:58Z")
Hi @biojack , > [@biojack](#): > > then after running qiime2 pipeline I got not very good results. At species level I have 186/341 classified (54%). But on genera level it much better - 170/200 (85%) - but also should be a little better on practice The V4 region of 16S cannot reliably differentiate most species, so this result is quite expected. Also at genus level 85-90% classification is normal. This is because of the limited information content of the short hypervariable regions vs. full 16S. For more prose and data on this, see the previous work on this starting with RDP's benchmarks, and then our own many benchmarks for the classifiers used in QIIME 2: [https://journals.asm.org/doi/10.1128/AEM.00062-07#F1](https://journals.asm.org/doi/10.1128/AEM.00062-07#F1) > **[Optimizing taxonomic classification of marker-gene amplicon sequences with...](https://link.springer.com/article/10.1186/s40168-018-0470-z)** > > Background Taxonomic classification of marker-gene sequences is an important step in microbiome analysis. Results We present q2-feature-classifier ( https://github.com/qiime2/q2-feature-classifier ), a QIIME 2 plugin containing several novel... [https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-019-12669-6](https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-019-12669-6) > [@biojack](#): > > remove uncultured and unidentified taxons, also taxons which not represented at species level Note that SILVA does not curate their taxonomy at species level. They take the info directly from NCBI. So a very large proportion are missing or do not match the genus label (for data and more discussion of this and related topics, see the next paper linked below). This is also why you see annotations with strain labels like this, because that is the raw label from the GenBank accession: > [@biojack](#): > > Also it looks that there could be some solution for reduce this redundancy - for example like removing all species except "Akkermansia muciniphila" - because "Akkermansia muciniphila" in results instead "Akkermansia muciniphila ATCC BAA-835" is much better than just "Akkermansia" on genera level Quick note on Akkermansia: this is a good example of how database "noise" does create issues (more on this below), but Akkermansia is also a bit of a poor representative for other more populated clades in the database, since the genus only have a couple species (and I think only `A. muciniphila` is in SILVA if I recall correctly). Other genera have genuine problems resolving at species level because those species have very similar or identical 16S sequences (esp. when looking at only short amplicons). > [@biojack](#): > > Do you have some suggestions how could such results be improved? Yes. We released a QIIME 2 plugin a little while ago that will let you create such databases and perform various filtering steps (and record all of these edits in QIIME 2's provenance for full traceability of what you did, so you can easily do it again 😁 ). This includes a method to `edit-taxonomy`, which you could use with a regular expression to trim off strain information... or `filter-taxa` that are missing information at specific ranks, etc. You can find a tutorial for using this with SILVA here: > [@Processing, filtering, and evaluating the SILVA database (and other reference sequence data) with RESCRIPt](https://forum.qiime2.org/t/processing-filtering-and-evaluating-the-silva-database-and-other-reference-sequence-data-with-rescript/15494): > > construction Please consider this tutorial a living document, which may change based upon community feedback and ongoing plugin development. RESCRIPt [RESCRIPt](https://github.com/bokulich-lab/RESCRIPt) (REference Sequence annotation and CuRatIon Pipeline) is a python package and QIIME 2 plugin for formatting, managing, and manipulating sequence reference databases. This package was designed for compiling, manipulating, and evaluating sequence reference databases from SILVA, NCBI, Greengenes, GTDB, and other sources, and for construc… We used RESCRIPt to do quite a few database and filtering benchmarks for various marker genes and dbs. You can see that these edits lead to ~75% classification accuracy at species level with SILVA. Removing redundant/confusing/mis/unannotated entries from the database really does help, and that was one original motivation for this plugin. > **[RESCRIPt: Reproducible sequence taxonomy reference database management](https://journals.plos.org/ploscompbiol/article?id=10.1371%2Fjournal.pcbi.1009581)** > > Author summary Generating and managing sequence and taxonomy reference data presents a bottleneck to many researchers, whether they are generating custom databases or attempting to format existing, curated reference databases for use with standard... This is based on cross-validated classification of the known reference sequences, so the 75% classification accuracy here should _not_ be interpreted as "this method is only accuracy 75% of the time". Rather, this is telling you how much species-level resolution you could possibly expect when studying a community with mostly well-characterized microbial composition. Mileage may vary, as some systems contain many more uncharacterized microbes than others (and hence may be poorly represented by a given database). QIIME 2's classifiers account for this by using confidence intervals to _prevent the classifier from giving a species (or genus)-level classification when there are multiple possible hits at that level_. So the low number of species-level hits in a real database can be related to noisy databases or underperforming methods for sure, but at least 20-25% of the lack of resolution is due to the inability to resolve individual species using very short DNA segments. But there are other approaches that can improve this, even up to around 90% classification accuracy at species level... see the benchmarks and papers above for mcuh more description of the various methodological approaches and limitations that we have explored. Good luck! --- _[View the full topic](https://forum.qiime2.org/t/poor-taxonomy-classification-on-species-level/23061)._