# Multiple entries in tax table, ancom, gneiss
**URL:** https://forum.qiime2.org/t/multiple-entries-in-tax-table-ancom-gneiss/11512
**Category:** User Support
**Created:** [September 14, 2019, 3:52am UTC](https://forum.qiime2.org/t/multiple-entries-in-tax-table-ancom-gneiss/11512 "2019-09-14T03:52:58Z")
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### Author:  [@SetaPark](https://forum.qiime2.org/u/SetaPark)
#### Post date: [September 14, 2019, 3:52am UTC](https://forum.qiime2.org/t/multiple-entries-in-tax-table-ancom-gneiss/11512/1 "2019-09-14T03:52:58Z")
Hello
I did a recent study using QIIME2019.7. The target region was V4, with samples of human faecal microbiome, and I used the gg-13-8-99-nb-classifier.qza from the QIIME2 website for taxonomy. There are 12 samples in this study, with 5 in one treatment and 7 in the other. I have a few queries please:
1. I do understand that there can be [multiple entries](https://forum.qiime2.org/t/multiple-entries-for-the-same-taxa-and-how-do-i-retrive-the-corresponding-fasta-sequence-for-each-taxa/4873/4) for the same taxon. e.g. There are 40 entries for k\_\_Bacteria; p\_\_Firmicutes; c\_\_Clostridia; o\_\_Clostridiales; f\_\_Lachnospiraceae in this table.[MicroAnal\_RLSfilt.csv](https://forum.qiime2.org/uploads/short-url/ggfYS7rTVise0qBLHx4KegN3Q1G.csv) (125.2 KB) However, I want to do draw total and rel abundance graphs for each treatment at different taxa levels. What is the easiest way to do this please? Would it be through the taxa collapse function? If so, what are the steps?
Then using a filtered table (removing frequencies under the median, and then below 0.1 %), I did ANCOM and Gneiss analysis.
2. I did an ANCOM (to see what comes out in the wash as one of previous posts suggests); with no significant features being detected. [filt-ancom-Group.qzv](https://forum.qiime2.org/uploads/short-url/1s7N9BnMq54NwsmKScwh9sX0Elc.qzv) (486.3 KB)
3. I also tried gneiss (add pseudocount-\>correlation clustering-\>ilr-hierarichal-\>ols-regression.). Based on the FDR corrected p value, I really did not see much happening, but I chose balances for visualization y25 (p=0.051) and included y0 (p =0.99) for comparison. I am not sure what to interpret and would appreciate some pointers please. Also attached is the regression summary- Reading through the [post](https://forum.qiime2.org/t/understanding-gneiss-questions-regarding-the-analysis/3244/3) and the links within, I am not sure there is much happening, but appreciate if you can suggest what I might interpret.[filt-regression\_summary\_Group.qzv](https://forum.qiime2.org/uploads/short-url/69iNvhwn5z2d4mZDlLzv4rXIGUF.qzv) (677.0 KB) [filt-y0-L-1-Group-summary.qzv](https://forum.qiime2.org/uploads/short-url/i55gGdZWoowHLPE0VtDUjizeyud.qzv) (151.4 KB) [filt-y0-L-6-Group-summary.qzv|attachment][filt-heatmap\_group.qzv](https://forum.qiime2.org/uploads/short-url/Ae6GshhDkX0idGwGG0PoqgK13x1.qzv) (184.0 KB) (upload://fTHINKkYJ36cO4Am0sYBTLfytY9.qzv) (151.2 KB) [filt-y25-L-1-Group-summary.qzv](https://forum.qiime2.org/uploads/short-url/wWI80FlosmK3W2pvp2Jo0H9YN8v.qzv) (128.0 KB) [filt-y25-L-6-Group-summary.qzv](https://forum.qiime2.org/uploads/short-url/vMFTyg45yBvUpUYh8GYqbbEIBVd.qzv) (129.4 KB)
4. What else can I do, just to see trends more than find definitive statistical differences?
Thanks
Regards
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### Author:  [@Nicholas\_Bokulich](https://forum.qiime2.org/u/Nicholas_Bokulich)
#### Post date: [September 18, 2019, 2:28pm UTC](https://forum.qiime2.org/t/multiple-entries-in-tax-table-ancom-gneiss/11512/2 "2019-09-18T14:28:57Z")
> [@SetaPark](#):
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> However, I want to do draw total and rel abundance graphs for each treatment at different taxa levels. What is the easiest way to do this please? Would it be through the taxa collapse function?
You could just use `qiime taxa barplot` to observe relative abundance plots at each level interactively. If you are attempting to check for differential abundance of _taxa_ instead of _ASVs_ then yes collapse and then run ANCOM on the collapsed table.
> [@SetaPark](#):
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> I did an ANCOM (to see what comes out in the wash as one of previous posts suggests); with no significant features being detected.
I guess none were significantly different 🤷♂️
> [@SetaPark](#):
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> I am not sure what to interpret and would appreciate some pointers please.
I recommend following the tutorial at [Differential abundance analysis with gneiss — QIIME 2 2019.7.0 documentation](https://docs.qiime2.org/2019.7/tutorials/gneiss/) to get an idea of the workflow and interpretation.
> [@SetaPark](#):
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> What else can I do, just to see trends more than find definitive statistical differences?
If you see no statistically significant differences then yes you could just examine trends. You may also want to remove low-abundance features before running ANCOM and gneiss, since these will reduce your power.
Good luck!
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### Author:  [@system](https://forum.qiime2.org/u/system)
#### Post date: [October 19, 2019, 8:29pm UTC](https://forum.qiime2.org/t/multiple-entries-in-tax-table-ancom-gneiss/11512/3 "2019-10-19T20:29:00Z")
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